MENtal Health Monday - The dirty on depression with dudes; all the questions you've had but never asked.

Monday, July 30th

When you think of mental illness, one of the first things that comes to mind is depression.  Let's tackle that nasty beast this week for MENtal Health Monday.  Mood disorders are no joke, and if left untreated, they can become fatal.  How do you know if you're depressed?  What IS depression?  Can you be treated?  This week we talk with Dr. Jerry Halverson, Chief Medical Officer for Rogers Behavioral Health all about depression - including how postpartum depression in MEN Is being looked at in a whole new light.  If you've wondered about depression, man or woman, you'll take something away from this week's episode.  #BreakTheStigma 

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Specifically amendment but as I said before and pretty much anybody can get something out of mental health Monday today we're talking to a serious doctor. Normally we're just dudes to date on the dude I'm talking to a doctor we're talking depression. Anything and everything you've ever wanted to know about depression but may have been afraid to ask. I'm going to ask today and honestly I spent. 1520 minutes with doctor Albertson and I learn so much so I promise you gonna learn something out of this podcast so. Hang up fourth we'll talk mood disorders including a postpartum depression how women deal with it and how men are also being effective with postpartum depression if this thing. This week our guest is chief medical officer of Rogers behavioral health doctor Jerry. How person he's a board certified adult psychiatrist. And a laundry list of experience with new disorders and any specializes in depression and what is depression who is it affects how do you combat depression we'll discuss it all right now with doctor Jerry help percent from Rogers behavioral health you've pretty much overseen the everything right. Yeah I oversee everything. Kind of up my eight clinical specialty is depression compared I run. I'll be mood disorder program here horse that yours. There's a depression defined is essentially what now so depression in it is I can start with what it is and it's depression isn't just feeling down a little bit. Depression is not. Being upset because things are going your way out word now or meteoric you know the badgers. Or your Packers are here today or Steenland is yeah. That's not depression depression is an overwhelming. Feeling of sadness in distress. That. Affects your ability to. Be who you are whether it's at home or at work. And it isn't something that is there for a day or two we usually if depression is an issue. It lasts at least six months and sometimes much longer than that so when sadness that comes up in this persistence and overwhelming. Petrino at this is probably depression yeah I think the overwhelming piece is important for the depression. Really to be something that we would want to actively look at treating. It would have to affect. Part of your functioning. I'm going to work via the ups and not being able to. So oftentimes isolating is a big part of it or not engaging in your group of friends not engaging. In your family. Finding yourself alone more. Which unfortunately leads to alone with drinking more. Round which can be separate problem do men and women deal with depression differently. Oftentimes they do historically women have been much more likely to seek treatment they've been much more likely to kind of notice again that there's an issue. And seek treatment whereas men tend to knock seek not to treatment as as rebel leaders easily can hide it themselves what men's and it and yeah and I think that's led to use this. Overall misunderstanding that maybe it's more prevalent in women than men and that is what our statistics tell us but. We do know that men are just much less likely to seek treatment so. Endorsing or saying you have depression. Is much more difficult it seems for men on them for women's. Sitting men speaking out can help other men is absolutely I think it's important to understand that. Depression is common is certainly common in men and and really the only way that you're going to. Feel the better get past it and I used to treat it now oftentimes. Depression if you sit with a long enough. It goes away on its own but that can last that can last up to six months or years in some cases and to win. Depression is a significant issue for you. And you're not fulfilling what you need to go work you're not fulfilling what you need to. At home it can have a significant. Cost of ours losing jobs losing their relationships. Particularly when all of that is. In the context of depression being very very curable treatable disorders so sure you can. Deal with that and hope it goes away on its own but you're really risking. A lot mr. our worst losses. It could get worse depression is a fatal illness people with depression are more likely. To try and complete suicide. In our state of Wisconsin men. Primarily. Men have the the lion's share of suicides and having men bear the brunt of a lot of it working age men put it seems like yes yes and there are I'm also more likely to have. Fatal suicide attempts women are more likely to overdose and men are more likely to use guns. And their hand as his line work a lot of the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention and they don't take a stance on the Second Amendment that I wanna get into the politics and it but they do. Focus on the education of if you're gonna have a firearm be Smart about it you know much of mental health. When you're getting a firearm party when the right place in a firearm that type of thing of us thought that that was a decent way to went to approach the topic that not only you but other people on how this time if you don't have that locked up in you're not the only one who has access to it drives a pretty common way for teenage males. To kill themselves to a as well as you said middle aged males I'm. Whether it's against the Second Amendment or not the facts are most people that kill themselves in Wisconsin to its icon whose. Most and survive in the gun deaths are suicides and a lot of them are I kept coming across in my research and depressions a thing called persistent depressive disorder. What exactly is that how does that differ from like clinical depression is there a difference yes yes Oprah is persistent precipice. Are you speak called the slimy and so to stymie. Might be a term that other that that people in your audience may have heard of amid a diagnosis from the past it's it's basically dead you were removed. Who never gets back to a normal state or your Golden State is lower than other people's but it's not. Low enough to be assumed to be diagnosed a significant mood disorder right so folks that have persistent. Depressive disorder it's not necessarily that you're always depressed for your your baseline is generally. A little bit lower. As far as your mood I'm T operate. Feeling less well. Most of the time right but it's not significant enough to. Affect your work you're still generally getting to work you probably not working as. Well or as effectively writers got him. Performing as soundly ahead here you're able to your home years kind of chicken balls boxes but you're not. Doing what you generally need to do so move those are. Cases in the past that we might not have been. That aggressive in treating but now we know that even a little bit of depression. Camden not only cause. These these troubles at home network time and then once you. You know. Lose a relationship or lose your job that's a significant issue but we also have. Data that tells us depression even you know quadrupled minor depression. Which is often times what this would be isn't a negative price plastic factor for cardiac disease can cause people to be more likely to die. The stuff about postpartum depression which is primarily with you think with the women but also men can suffer from this as well as eleven reading and there's not a lot of discussion about. Men deal with postpartum depression so how does it affects women and then men both pressed against his that was women. Yeah it's so at this point it's still not necessarily need common. But it does certainly happened. And in women approximately 5% what is it basically mean postpartum depression with the after birth clearly if so what is. What this what serves as a woman's mind that creates this. Well there are home shifts in general around but also what can cause depression is not only narrow transmit or changes in hormone changes but also. Changes in expectations and changes. In you're life for your career even good changes can shore and a harbinger of depression can you know bring. Right depression so we don't how does that doctor Freeman is good stresses that stress it's good to have some stressed him. And yes but also good stress can. Lead more likely to depression or even looking forward to this baby and he had a baby and having had a couple of children it can be very challenging China's front and I don't know if anybody's ever really prepared for but there are some people that are less prepared than others and that can be. I can certainly cause cause depression can. This feeling overwhelmed feeling of helplessness. And why it's particularly important to diagnose it in and mothers and fathers. In particular but how we've been focusing. I'm mothers is obviously. Both of them are are helping out this little helpless is usually came in the world he had that we do you know if you're not there. And doing your job there's a big problem for their babies babies not going to be out trying to go to the story and in pain and negotiating things now how does it how does it affect demand now have how can demand more emphasis and this is absolutely more moral of the something that we're learning about more and more every day Tea Party Allison that we can really focused on the mother I write to us when things go. Portly with mothers you know we've all seen these. These kind of terrible. Outcomes where the depression measles psychosis leads to. You know the mother killing the children that's that very very rare nicely kind of attack catastrophic. Sure and I'm so it has really been focused on that but more and more lately and there's actually a very recent article in the pediatrics literature that tells us that. Men can hit depressions and how postpartum. Just as much as well as women can't. And honestly it's not something that we've really look that so part of this. Is that we don't have men coming forward with depression. Or depression symptoms for another part of it is is that we don't. And we tend to report in rent them like to look forward women. But as. You can imagine for the folks that it had children it's very it's very stressful. Whether years a mom or dad. I'm that you are you can be engaged. In direct care but he knew if you're not engage in direct care than me be here working more to make up for mom who at least up front is on. Believe them and maybe you are able to take to leave with your work you should be able to take the lead with your work but often times. The paternity leave him isn't necessarily as long as the maternity leave. So there's a lot of pressure kind of going back to the work can kind of feeling than an hour that all of that. Pressure how the man let's say we have a new father listening and has a life but he thinks maybe dealing with postpartum depression. I've heard sometimes a man can approaches like tonight than she gets defensive because they're ginger and Tasmania to. Actually demand could approach his wife about an impending trouble shoot it and yet it's an important conversation to have an opinion could go both ways I receivable and fiercely it is pretty terrible beginning yeah and it could go. I either way but it's important have those conversations. And maybe. Maybe you couldn't your wife would get defensive. But ultimately. By talking about these conversations mate makes it easier to have. The top positions so imagine there's problems moving fluorescent jackets there's going to somebody about this he had a you know the concern with approaching the mother earth. Might indeed that employee are you saying that I'm being mad bombing there're there're kind of better ways to have that conversation. Than others but clearly if mom signals or if it's bad that mom is having a conversation with. If they know it's kind of coming from being a place of where there are concerned about and care. It's always been better than him is that kind of way to approach anybody think might be depressed so yeah. Think the servers and having a conversation I was field tested it to assume that no one has talked to them. Is when you season many think might depress you think. They probably a friend or family member I'm sure their wife their girlfriend knows about it they've noticed it certainly I'm sure that somebody's talk to them. Is that it is in the nobody said he had inside these conversations are difficult to have them and you can't assume that day and what the treatments for depression when somebody knows anti depression would isn't is it just medication is there other that there are other ways other than treatment he said. Go away on the hill and we have a we have a lot of good treatments for depression and that's really the good news of this is you know we want you to identify it. End and go in for treatment. Treatment doesn't always have to be medicines and clearly I can talk about medicines and medicines. That are helpful but medicines have side effects we generally or on Madison's. When. It's pretty severe or other treatments aren't working as well. Some of the treatment. For some treatments for depression really are just trying to get back into New York. Into your regular. Regular life yeah finding your isolating him nicely Kenya's leading to other things like drinking users can get back. To your life. Can be helpful exercise. Getting out lecture sizing there's a great literature that tells us that exercise. Is. The treatment for depression. And that actually is this helpful and won't have side effects other than if you have to get up earlier in the morning here practical reason endorphins endorphins think people haven't exactly they can they can. And there's also there's different types of psychotherapy. The first pieces reaching out to you maybe your pastor or family doctor. He had just having some conversations. It doesn't necessarily mean that you have to go on medications and you can see a therapist now which is talk therapy. It varies certain. I'm types of talk there appear very effective. In depression and we know that they are working depression and an engaging. On a once weekly basis are more with a therapist can be can be very hopeful now and ultimately if if that doesn't work medications can help. Sure oftentimes folks who do not want to take the time to do the other softly jumped to Madison's. In dumb. Even afford to credit depending on the severity you might get a different medication recommendation we're different dose of the medication that you are. And a lot of misdiagnosis that depression. To see that allies people thinking I'm probably depressed got to be depressed I have depression and saying you know listen to you mean I have depression. Deanna and most of the time by the time people come in and it's not necessarily easy conversation have particularly commend him there's probably something going on ground. Whether it's whether it's depression or bipolar disorder or some. Certain other mood disorders or depending you know it could be caused by by drinking or something else that's going on. I usually don't pan out of a lot of people. Showing up dead. Nina zone out of sync your find going generally err on the side of caution if you need hurts you negotiate that your position Hammond he's been bothering me I think usually the same thing about your brain I've been Penner chemical sadly lose us all right as normal this normal one said yes Selena right and I wish we are at a point where more people. Were her lead we had times in our lives to be more inward thinking about powers thinking feeling and doing in that space at that time we just tend not to. So I think if you are thinking about it and you think it might be an issue. It probably is an issue I missiles on our list that deepening social media feeds into depression a lot especially these days. Any social media and we have a lot of data particularly in kids that more screen time. Is more likely to lead to mental illness and part of the screen time it might seem. Like you're engaging with people but you're not really engaging with the now. And folks that get sucked into that too much tend to not be able to. It affects their work and affects your ability to function at home. Which can all positive and worse and feelings. Kind of a strange and time and can lead to you isolation and depression. Well you're looking at somebody's highlight reel on there and face the people that too is putting their sad moments really know unhappy moments you put your vacation pay future yeah laughing and putting the time when you're sad and crying in the corner for an hour about this something that happened if that's true there is no one would probably wanna look at them now on the the percentage Texas. Yeah doctor Alison thanks for talking depression today appreciate it if you are Mandy do you feel like you man depression it's OK to ask for help just reach out to somebody. And make sure you came in their screens you can take online there's a lot of those in troubleshoot and a man therapy the website has a great website where you can go to a twenty point had inspection and let's make sure your heads right this is another part of your body. It's bound to malfunction of once allowing brains and again if you don't take care everything's generally will not get better on their own anytime sooner and you risk things get worse you don't change the oil on your car it's gonna break down. Yeah counsel for them doctor Alison. Thank you for coming in their mission order much I think if it's true there's. Lots of ways to get help but there the national suicide prevention lifeline is 1802738255. That's available 24 hours and days of crisis prevention chat line you can text a load to 741741. You can always find a friend or his call your doctor once you start talking about a comic you're gonna start feeling better getting out of helps getting it out in the open is awesome next week we're gonna talk to a gentleman who struggle with depression his entire life he's almost seventy years old pal his struggle with it. Almost succumb to it. And has learned to manage it in an awesome way but he's got a great stories name's Jim Hill we'll talk to them next week for another episode of mental health Monday and always reach out if you like to share your story about the top U. Great radio guy and he is the website hockey next time and the mental health Monday or mornings on one of three point seven kiss FM in Milwaukee Rickie Weeks now a morning show. Had a great week for afternoon or morning or whatever you're doing and remember me for my decision.